Caine, Welcome to the hang-out place here :) Regarding TKD and (Korean) philosophies.... well, i am more than willing to shed some enlightenment on your shadowy urge on both of those .. I was a 3rd degree black-belt in Tae Kwon Do (even though I don't practice now).. and my Korean philosophy is based upon Christianity.. how'bout that? :) Anyway... welcome... and you can ask Billy.. who is another American like you and is well advanced in Korean culture and stuff.. (You surely can send me an e-mail if you prefer at gslee@vnet.ibm.com) Bye. Gap.